Council Balks on Curfew Vote
6-3 vote tables County Executive Isiah Leggett's proposal indefinitely.
Update, 5:50 p.m.: Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett (D) has released a statement chastising the Montgomery County Council for failing to decide on his proposed youth curfew.
“The county council’s refusal to even take a yes or no vote on the proposed youth curfew is a failure of leadership," Leggett said. “Leadership means stepping up to the plate and deciding – yes or no – on critical issues that face our county. The youth curfew legislation has been before the county council since July. It has been discussed exhaustively. We don’t need more talk – we need action."
Original story, 4:16 p.m.: The proposed Montgomery County youth curfew is dead. For now.
After months of debate surrounding the controversial proposal, the Montgomery County Council Tuesday voted 6 to 3 to table a decision on the curfew and its proposed amendments.
Councilman Hans Riemer (D-At Large) of Silver Spring made the motion to table the vote, which was seconded by Councilwoman Nancy Navarro (D-Dist. 4) of Silver Spring. Councilmembers Valerie Ervin (D-Dist. 5) of Silver Spring, Craig Rice (D-Dist. 2) of Germantown and Nancy Floreen (D-At Large) of Garrett Park opposed the motion.
The council also tabled a proposed loitering bill in a subsequent 5 to 4 vote, with Ervin, Rice, Floreen and Councilman Marc Elrich (D-At Large) of Takoma Park opposed.
By tabling a vote rather than making a decision, the council can reintroduce the legislation at any time, according to council rules.
County Executive Isiah Leggett's proposal would have imposed a curfew on minors starting at 11 p.m. on weeknights and midnight on weekends. Leggett (D) proposed the curfew in the aftermath of a sprawling gang fight in downtown Silver Spring.
“Right now we do not have a consensus on whether this is the right approach, whether or not a curfew is the right approach, whether or not a loitering bill is the right approach, whether or not delegating to the county executive emergency authority to implement a curfew is the right approach. There is no consensus on this council with respect to that,” said new Council President Roger Berliner (D-Dist 1) of Potomac.
In light of widespread community opposition to the curfew cited by some councilmembers, Riemer said that the council couldn’t justly counter that response.
“We should have a very, very good reason to overcome such widespread opposition,” he said. “Until we have legitimate safety concerns… I think we should keep this in consideration, so I think the right position for us is to say the jury should remain out because the facts [on] the ground are in flux.”
In a 2-0 vote on Dec. 1, the council’s public safety committee recommended against the curfew. At that meeting, Councilman Phil Andrews (D-Dist 3) of Gaithersburg pointed to Montgomery County Police statistics showing that crime is down overall while youth crime is holding steady at 8 percent of all incidents. The data also show that most youth crimes occur between 2 p.m. and 6 p.m.
Elrich suggested an amendment that would allow Leggett to call a 120-day curfew, expanding Leggett’s ability to enact a three-day curfew by executive order. Elrich’s proposal was similar to Floreen’s suggestion to expand Leggett’s power to initiate a curfew of 180 days without council approval.
Elrich also suggested an amendment that would set the curfew ages to 16 and younger, rather than 18.
Councilman Rice—having already voiced his support for Leggett’s bill—bristled at the decision to table the motion, calling the move a “travesty of justice.”
Ervin argued in favor of a vote Tuesday.
“I think it’s a mistake,” Ervin said of tabling the vote. “I think everybody spoke and it was clear that a majority of the council was not in favor of the legislation, therefore I did not see that there was any point to tabling it.
“I really hate to see that kind of maneuver done. In the future I would hope that we do what we’re elected to do which is make tough calls on tough issues,” she said.
Leggett will continue to push for the curfew, said Assistant Chief Administrative Officer Kathleen Boucher, who called the council’s action a “travesty of leadership.”
“The council has failed to act for reasons that are inexplicable,” Boucher said. “This issue isn’t going away. We need a curfew in Montgomery County. It’s a reasonable step, it’s a tool, it’s not a panacea; it’s a tool that our police chief says he needs. And the county executive will continue to press for it.”
Montgomery County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger also expressed disappointment in the council decision.
“I think that the curfew would have been a very valuable tool for the police department to further reduce crime,” he said. “… This would have been a useful tool for them but they will continue to do every thing they can to keep the community safe.”
Sliu
5:15 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
I don't understand why this is a bad idea? Why would any "good" kid hang out on the street past 11pm on weeknights?
If my grandma think teen curfew is a good idea, it must be a good idea.
jnrentz1
6:12 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
You are correct.
Sydney Rayne
6:54 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
Out late studying? On a date? It's summer time and being out late at night spontaniously is part of the teen culture? Pick your reason.
Sliu
9:45 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Sure, but after 11pm on weeknights?
Corbin Dallas Multipass
10:16 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
If you're out on a date seeing a movie and it goes past 11pm, you're now violating the curfew?
If a student has a big test the next morning and relatively light load the rest of the day in their classes, staying up at a friends house til midnight or even later might be a great study strategy.
I can imagine some reasons.
jag
10:24 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
11pm is late for a 17 year old during summertime? Seriously? This legislation was nutso - not surprising it failed. I don't need a big-brother government telling people what time they're allowed out of their house.
Sliu
11:43 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
jag, the answer is yes in my opinion. I will not allow my son (when he grows up) to hang out on the street after 11pm, even during the summer time. I will be OK if he is at someone's house studying, hangout, or do whatever, but not on the street. If he goes to see a late movie, I will be more than happy to drop him off and pick him up afterwards, just like a responsible parent will do.
jag
12:11 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Sheng, so you're fine with the idea of law enforcement harassing your son for doing nothing other than walking home from a neighbor's house after studying or standing in front of a movie theater, waiting for you to pick him up?? I find that shocking.
I'm not even going to go into how insulting and naive your comment is about how any "responsible parent" would drive their kid back and forth everywhere. Obviously, not everyone A. has a parent, B. has a parent who has nothing more important to do (e.g. working) than being a personal chauffeur and escort for a teen who's otherwise perfectly capable of getting home on their own (if your son has a mental disability or something, obviously that's a different situation). Ultimately, you should raise your kid how you want and don't let him stay out after dark if that's what you think is healthy for him. But giving police the power to harass everyone else based on how old they look? I would lose all respect for a county council that thinks that is anywhere near acceptable in this country.
Sliu
2:50 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
jag, not sure why you single out the word "parent". For what it's worth, parents, legal guardians, friends' parents, neighbors or whatever you call it...the point is a responsible adult can always provide rides. And making sure their teenagers are safe should be their top priority.
Also your neighborhood may be safe enough for your son to walk from a neighbor's house (whether or not he has any mental problems, i hope he doesn't) after 11pm, but definitely not in my neighborhood.
Sydney Rayne
3:10 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Most of the "responible" parents of teenagers are against the curfew as well. A responsible parent will teach their child how to be responsible for themselves and then be able to trust them to be out at night. The point is that each individual parent should be able to do the parenting for their child, not have the police criticize their desicions harrass their children for it. (obviously this isn't the case when there's incapable parents but there's a difference between somebody not being able to take care of their child and different parents having different parenting strategies.
Jonathan Wong
6:54 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
Good point. While at it, let's also consider why would any "black" or "Hispanic" person hang out on the street past 11pm on weeknights.
If Jim Crow thinks racial curfews are a good idea, it must be a good idea.
jnrentz1
10:33 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
Dear Sir,
Your post sounds like a lot of racial bull manure to me.
Sydney Rayne
11:01 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
Dear jnrentz1,
That was the point. It was both mockery of the previous comment and a pointed look at the inevitable racial profiling that would happen due to this bill.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
8:31 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Does the bill curfew everyone of all ages?
Corbin Dallas Multipass
8:32 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
From the article: "Elrich also suggested an amendment that would set the curfew ages to 16 and younger, rather than 18."
I'm not sure you can make a case for racial profiling given it's targeted at an age group.
It's ageist though, I'll give it that.
Sydney Rayne
3:03 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
If you've read the articles and interviews given by montgomery country polive they say they're out looking for the "bad kids" instead of the ones on a date/out to eat/at a movie. How would they tell the "good kid" from the "bad kid"? Racial profiling.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
4:06 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
So you're saying the Police are using "bad kids" and "good kids" as code words for a specific race group?
I think you'd have to have some evidence to back that up. I can swallow that it might be provable once the law is passed by looking at enforcement numbers, but until it is in effect it seems like a stretch.
Sydney Rayne
5:27 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-cop-on-curfews-how-we-can-tell-whos-a-bad-kid/2011/07/29/gIQAmUoAxI_story.html
"bad kids" vs. "good kids"
Sharon Adams
8:37 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/178428/158/Girl-Stabbed-At-Northwood-High-School
Jeff Hawkins
9:11 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
This is a good thing..........
Rachel Young
11:22 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
I feel like tabling the proposal was an answer: "not right now." By tabling the proposal, the committee is not pushing it out of possibility. I also think it's wise to wait since a curfew is a pretty desperate measure that might or might not address a common and persistent problem. I would vote for more supportive after school/community programming so that we engage students in positive relationships and equip/empower them to make good decisions after hours.
Richard Rice
11:32 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
I would think the curfew would be a good idea. Young people do not need
to be out late at night just hanging around! When I was their ages I was
home either studying or spending quality time with my family! Is it out of the
realm of possibility to bring back some value to families which we use to cherish?
Sydney Rayne
3:06 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Times have changed. I understand the idea of old family values but do you really expect all teens to want to spend every night with their parents? And consider the summer time when there is no studying to be done and there are activities that go later into the night. I would be curious to know whether you have children of the age that ould be affected and whether you've asked their opinion.
TBerm
2:00 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
>>I don't need a big-brother government telling people what time they're allowed out of their house.<<
Then don't call those "big-brother" police when your car or business gets vandalized because kids are hanging out with nothing better to do.
jag
2:43 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Read what you wrote, TBerm, I'm sure you'll realize it nonsensical on a whole host of levels (at least nonsensical to anyone not named Mao or Stalin). I'm for due process too - guess I shouldn't call the police if a criminal found innocent tries to break into my home? "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Esther French
2:29 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Vote on whether you think the county council made the right decision: http://wheaton-md.patch.com/articles/patch-asks-do-you-agree-with-the-curfew-vote
jnrentz1
8:56 am on Thursday, December 8, 2011
The Curfew is an excellent idea, however, the Council demonstrated a lack of courage in tabling the bill.
jnrentz1
8:09 am on Friday, December 9, 2011
Sydney Rayne
11:01 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
Dear jnrentz1,
That was the point. It was both mockery of the previous comment and a pointed look at the inevitable racial profiling that would happen due to this bill.
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You made mention of racial profiling. That is a bunch of stuff too.
The Council should pass the bill.
Nathaniel Ivensburg
1:53 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Well maybe its because there are only two races, im not going to mention any names concerned here causing the crime which invokes interest in a curfew bill.