What Maryland Gets That Virginia Doesn't
Equal protection under the law applies to everyone.
Readers of this column have heard me gripe from time to time, and for good reason, about the fact that Virginia cleans our clocks here in Maryland when it comes to creating a good business climate.
True, they have created a more free-flowing economic and regulatory environment that allows them to basically beat us up and steal our lunch money when it comes to attracting and retaining good jobs and economic development. We can learn much from them.
However, one look at their political climate is more than enough to keep me on this side of the Potomac for good. Why? When it comes to respecting the rights of all citizens, including those who happen to be women, born in another country or with a different sexual orientation, the Commonwealth of Virginia is becoming downright hostile.
In this regard, they have a thing or two to learn from us here in the Free State.
For instance, how can a state so steeped in the tradition of our Founders, many of whom felt so strongly about the principle of equal protection under law that they fought a revolution, pass legislation allowing Virginia adoption agencies to prohibit gay and lesbian couples from adopting children? How is that equal treatment, and what business is it of theirs? I have known so many cases of children who were bounced around from foster home to foster home, or rescued from abusive, neglectful or non-existent (heterosexual) parents, and then adopted and brought up in loving, supportive, healthy, same-sex families. What an outrage to act as if these kids would have been better off without their new families, or with no family at all. What utter rubbish.
My question to these self-righteous, freedom-loving patriots in Richmond is how can this new law be seen as anything but institutionalized discrimination? They are being singled out based on the religious views of their persecutors. One would think those who believed in limited government would at least make some effort to keep their own religious convictions from becoming the basis of laws that run roughshod over other people's rights. Doesn't that sound like a bedrock conservative principle to you? It sure does to me.
I have the same issue with Virginia's back-door efforts to restrict women's access to reproductive care, not to mention their right to control their own bodies and make medical decisions for themselves. On issues like this, it's almost getting hard to tell whether the Republicans are in charge in Richmond, or the Taliban.
Marylanders will have our squabbles on these issues too. The Maryland legislature may be on the verge of extending marriage equality to all of our citizens, regardless of sexual orientation. Voters will also decide this fall whether Maryland children who were brought here illegally by their (taxpaying) parents can pay the same in-state college tuition rates as other Maryland taxpayers, by voting up or down on the "Dream Act." Views will surely differ, but in both cases the debate is about expanding civil rights, educational opportunities and equal protection under law, not restricting them.
I'd rather live in a state that's looking to the future in a world where these old divisions are rapidly falling away, than in a state that is going in reverse on the key civil rights issues of our time.
After all, people don't choose to be gay, they don't choose to be women, and occasionally they don't choose to become pregnant. Discriminating against any of them by imposing a separate set of legal protections is just as wrong as it was with institutionalized racism. Maryland seems to have figured this out, or at least its leaders have.
Don't get me wrong. It's not that Virginia is too conservative for my taste. Not at all. It's that too many of its so-called "conservative" politicians are trying to have it both ways. You're either against big government, or you believe government has the right to dictate whom you can marry or who is an “acceptable” parent. You either believe in religious freedom and equal protection under law, or you want to use the power of government to impose your religious views on others. It's one or the other, folks, not both.
So if it's a choice between a state like ours, run by avowed liberals who occasionally overreach in their efforts to make a better world, as they see it, or one governed by conservative hypocrites trying to restrict the freedom of people they just don't like, I'll take Maryland any day.
Now, about that next tax increase …
kim chase
11:10 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Read below and get your facts straight before you write. MORON!!!!
• Virginia Permits single GLBT adoption. Does not clearly prohibit joint gay adoption. Second-parent adoption unclear.
• Maryland Permits single GLBT adoption. Joint gay adoption unclear. Second-parent adoption allowed in some areas.
States that have laws prohibiting same-sex marriage: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
kim chase
11:16 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012
They are actually completely similiar except Virginia has a fiscally responsible government that wants to create jobs by enticing small businesses. Thank you for telling me what I already knew.......Time for me and my small business to relocate! have fun when all of the tax paying citizens run to Virginia to live and work and provide jobs. You will be left with the bills, with no way to pay for, for all your social hand outs which does nothing but promote LAZINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Richard Parsons
12:30 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
We could all do without the personal insults, Kim. They have no place here. To your point, if you look at what's on the books now there is not so much difference, but what I was talking about in this article is the political trends in the two states and how they are diverging. Virginia's legislature just passed a bill allowing denial of adoptions to GLBT couples, it's not law yet but it surely will be as soon as the Governor signs it, which he said he will. Likewise, anyone familiar with Maryland politics can see passage of the Marriage Equality Act is extremely likely this session, and if not, it is just a matter of time. You are only looking at what's on the books now, not what is coming. Sorry if I did not make that clear enough.
kim chase
1:29 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
First let me apologize, I am sorry I called you a moron. That was inappropriate.
But, really???......So do you really believe the state is sooooo much better because we may or may not change 2 laws? Yet we have a state government that is fiscally irresponsible to the point that our tax base is leaving in huge numbers? Seriously, changing those two laws does not at all make this state great. Now interestingly enough, I agree that those two laws should be changed but we need to get back to basics when it comes to how we approach our businesses and our tax payers.
I have been told by my accountant and by my estate attorney, "Whatever you do, DO NOT DIE IN MARYLAND!" And then they aske me if it is possible for me to move to Virginia considering I live only 8 miles from Virginia.That is not a good endorsement for this state and it tells you we are running things from the wrong vantage point. I think we all need to use our common sense here. Socially I am more liberal minded, fiscally I am a conservative. I believe we are all in the middle. I was just upset that you minimized a VERY REAL issue facing this state by having a few "exciting" social laws changed. I believe with time even Virginia will follow other states on those issues and they too will change.
MomTo6
1:01 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
All the more reason to relocate to Virginia . . .
kim chase
1:41 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Yes that is true, I should move. But my kids love it here and I grew up here. Can we not work together to fix this? Or are we all suppose to segregate ourselves from one another by the river? That is not going to help either!
Bryan
1:22 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
I think its funny that people always express their fake outrage by stating they are going to take their "business" elsewhere. And marlyand will be stuck with nothing but lazy unemployed people. Right.
kim chase
1:46 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
So what do you believe will happen with this state? Do you think it is heading in the right direction? Just curious
kim chase
1:56 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
BTW, do you know that Forbes ranked Virginia #2 state for businesses and Maryland was ranked #42? Well, they did in the report that was released in Novemeber 2011. So yes, Bryan it is a very real consideration for us business owners. It is not a fake outrage. Do you care at all or would you like to just pretend that things are great here in Maryland?
kim chase
1:35 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Please do not hang your hat on those issues and think all is good in this state, it simple is not. I have a small business and my business provides over 45 families with their livlihood, but I am slowly going out of business. I have it all on my shoulders to keep it a float. I bare all fiscal burdens to keep it alive, I take all the risks, and yet I am also being asked to give more. I am held out as "The Man" who makes all the money because it is my business. Well, guess what I operated at a loss last year so that I did not have to cut employees. I continued to advertise so that my sale people would have leads to sell and they would get commissions. But I can not continue if this economy does not turn around and if I have to pay more employment taxes, property taxes, health care $$, sales taxes, I am just so beaten up it is getting so difficult. I am happy for the laws to change but does anyone care about people like me? I own my own business that is dying because of this state.
Richard Parsons
10:00 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Kim, I actually totally agree with you on this. I too am a small business owner here in Maryland, and have written frequently about what's wrong with our business climate in this state and will continue to do so. More of us need to speak out, as business is a forgotten constituency in Maryland most of the time, and it is the one that pays all the bills for everything else. There are lots of other things I love about Maryland, but its business-friendliness is not one of them -- hardly. The default answer in Annapolis always seems to be load more taxes on business, it is adding up and costing us jobs just as you mention.
MomTo6
1:55 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Kim, we, too, have a business here, and I totally understand what you're saying! Also, I wasn't telling YOU to move, just wishing I could!
I am not expressing any "fake outrage" nor am I going to move anytime soon. The fact is, I am a conservative, and to be a conservative in this county or state makes one very much a minority. However, that's just the way it is and I usually try to make the best of it. It is very discouraging that the politics of this state and county are contrary to my personal beliefs, but it is what it is. I am simply stating a longing or a wish that's not going to come true. Heavy sigh. We have a family-owned business here in Montgomery County and a child entrenched in the local school system. When she grows up and moves in, we will then move on to somewhere warmer and more in line with our beliefs. In the meantime, I'll just go on wishing, but really, in the future, please don't take some written words to contain an emotion that isn't there. :-)
MomTo6
1:57 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Oops . . . grows up and moves ON!
kim chase
2:04 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Oh goodness Momto6 I did not say that fake outrage thing, some guy named Bryan did. I am so exactly like you. Small businees, cant move because of my kids, cant wait to move to sunny and warm when the kids are grown. I was saying that I too wish I could move but I would much rather stay and try to change some peoples minds on these very important issues for the sake of this state. Perhaps we together have stated a few important points to Mr. Parsons and Bryan and they may see a different side.
MomTo6
2:07 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Sorry, Kim! I didn't mean that directed towards you. I knew it was Briyan and should have started that paragraph with his name. My apologies!
kim chase
2:10 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
No problem. Thank you for the back up. We truly are a minority here in Maryland. Nice to know we not alone!
Bryan
4:15 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Yeah, im a business owner as well. So are you trying to tell me that the economy is hurting your business or the fine state of Maryland is hurting your business? And when i said fake outrage, I am talking about my peers that complain about the state of affairs and yet do nothing about it. I know plenty of "upset" people and yet they are still raking in plenty of money in our not-as-business friendly state. Personally, I don't ever see myself leaving here because I love it here. Sorry if you took my post as sime sort of insult but i was just responding to the fact the you think only lazy people are going to be left here.
kim chase
4:36 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
No I am not leaving just yet. But I have to admit I am tempted because our state is not business friendly. As you can see from my previous post, Forbes has maryland as #42 and Virginia as #2 for best places to do have a business.
Overall the US economy is what is destroying my business and then as an added layer I live in a state that hurts me even more.
I strongly believe that too many hand outs and bail outs breeds laziness. It rewards failure and then Maryland wants to punish success with more taxes. I am absolutely opposed to that political ideals. But unfortunelty I live in a state that does just that.
This state is so left and just doesn't want to see how much we business owners are hurting. I am not like your friends, I am truly fighting hard to stay alive here. I wish I was hot air. I really do. I am scared to death for the fate of my employees if I do not succeed. I love them. They deserve for some security. I just hope I can give it to them.
Roald Schrack
4:38 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
I like the government we have in Maryland and am happy to pay my taxes to support it.Thank you Mr Parsons for a well written piece with which I fully agree. As has been said of the comments expressed- " I disagree with your position but would defend with my life your right to express it" .
Piotr Gajewski
4:42 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
It sounds like everyone commenting above is staying here because the good outweighs the bad. The kids like it here; the education system is top rate. The trade-off is clearly that it is more expensive to be here (read: taxes are higher). Cut taxes by cutting services and living here will not be nearly as desirable.
The fact that the state is always moving in a socially enlightened direction is a plus that is spawned by education. For my part, I hope that we finally, formally, eliminate the death penalty this year.
I like it that we have fine health care; yes, we have to pay extra, but it’s worth it. Many, many businesses are succeeding. We have to always be vigilant to be business friendly and we can always do better. But mostly, the mix that Maryland represents is very attractive to many.
Piotr Gajewski
5:33 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
One more beef with Virginia: until 1967 mixed-race marriages were outlawed. This is not ancient history. I was eight in 1967. Now I am married to a woman of a different race. Had I lived in Virginia, I would have been taught that this is wrong and illegal.
And by the way: Virginia did not have the wisdom to change this. It took a Supreme Court decision, Loving v. Virginia, to force the state’s hand. Who knows how much longer Virginia would have persisted in this inhumane law but for the Supreme Court imposing its will.
kim chase
6:03 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Yes, that is wonderful to have overcome inter racial marriage rights in this country and I am glad it happened in Virginia and in every state.I beleive the same will happen with gay rights marriages/adoptions. It may take some time but in this country we have the ability to fight for our rights.
But I guess my real issue with this story is it is yet another story that polarizes us all. Right is wrong, left is right. Virginia is bad, Maryland is great. We are all here together and we have very real issues to deal with. Yes I want to stay in Maryland but while the writer is boasting about the great social changes, that have not yet happened, he is pitting one against the other.
We all have to admit that we have some good things here and Maryland and we have some issues that MUST be addressed. Both states have pluses and minuses. How about we look at both places to see what works and in each and make both states more open to learning from one another on how to fix the issues they both have!
This country, this writer, all of us Maryland citizens need to work together not point out each others flaws and boast about how great we are. NO ONE IS PERFECT and NO STATE is PERFECT. Please stop the polarization of this country.
amarynth
6:52 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Piotr, Maryland's miscegenation law wasn't overturned until 1967, either! It looks like it may have been overturned before the Loving v. Virginia ruling, though: http://www.class.uidaho.edu/engl_258/Lecture%20Notes/american_antimiscegenation.htm
Theresa Defino
6:30 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Nice piece, RIchard. Ignore the cultists. This piece is clearly over their heads.
Maryland needs to pass a gay marriage law. The Dream Act must be upheld.
What's happened to Va. in the last three years has been nothing short of shameful, and will take years to reverse. It must be stopped. I firmly believe Ken Cuccinelli is one of the most dangerous men in America. Va. is sinking into the abyss, as is Florida. You don't have to be a Marylander to see it.
kim chase
6:39 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Seriously, we are cultist! Did you read what I said? I am asking for some common sense approach to issues we have and not to hold one against the other and you call me cultist? Wow, you are why we are where we are in this world. You are right and all others that may have something different to say and are really hurting, should just shut up? Wow so superior! You are the one we should be afraid of. Your narrow mindness is DANGEROUS. Not Ken Cuccinelli. Although he isnt great either!
Please stop this one against the other game. You ask for all to open, but it must start with you!
Theresa Defino
7:02 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
amarynth, great to "see" you!
kim chase
7:20 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
So Maryland beat the anti discrimination marrage law by a few months all the way back in 1967. I am glad for that and that a few months later Virginia did too.
As stated before, I am socially more liberal but fiscally I am more conservative. But Theresa thinks I am a cultist.......very very odd thing to say Theresa. Please read all the way through. Even the writer agress we should learn a bit from Virginia when forming a better business friendly state and I agree Virginia needs to learn from our social forward movement. BUT WE ARE NOT BETTER because of it. We both have work to do.
Piotr Gajewski
7:58 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Kim,
"Few months later, Virginia did too."
That is inaccurate, and I guess perhaps when Theresa sees you spewing forth inaccuracies, she concludes that discussion may be difficult.
Maryland repealed its discriminatory marriage law; Virginia NEVER did.
Did you distort on purpose or inadvertantly?
The U.S. Supreme court ruled the Virginia law unconstitutional. Virginia was indeed aggressively enforcing their law when it was stricken.
Can you appreciate that, or does it really not matter to you one way or the other?
kim chase
9:19 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Just so I am clear, you think that it is ok for Theresa to stop all discussions about fixing our unfriendly business practices here in Maryland because of something that I purposely or inadvertantly distorted the history on something that happened almost 50 years ago? Something that has nothing to do with our very real fiscal issues? You believe that is a valid reason to stop all open minded discussions? I hope that you will say no. If you think yes, well that would very sad.
kim chase
8:53 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Piotr, Maryland's miscegenation law wasn't overturned until 1967, either! It looks like it may have been overturned before the Loving v. Virginia ruling, though: http://www.class.uidaho.edu/engl_258/Lecture%20Notes/american_antimiscegenation.htm
That was written by "Amarynth." Not Kim..
Wow lose the attitude. Again, what I have said and will repeat so you may read it! I am socailly liberal. All the issues brought out by this writer I believe are good for Maryland. Did I distort the truth on purpose or inadvertantly?......I did neither. I was simply pointing out that we should not polarize ourselves and point out that one state is better then the other. That is truly irrelevant. This writer clear understands that Virginia is gaining strength and is pulling people away from maryland. He wanted people to understand why maryland is great and virginia is not. Well, that maybe true socially but WE NEED BUSINESSES TO TRULY SUCCEED.We can not ignore that this state has problems with it's relationship to businesses. Virginia does not, they are better. We are better in forward social movements. Great! But We should look at what works in Virginia when it comes to businesses and try to implement it before ALL our businesses move from here to there. Along with jobs and our very needed tax base.
Forbes ranks the states that are best for Businesses:
#2- Virginia
#42- Maryland
BOY JUST THINK HOW GREAT MARYLAND COULD BE IF WE FIXED ALL THE PROBLEMS AND NOT JUST THE SOCIAL ONES!
Piotr Gajewski
10:17 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Kim,
Sorry your business is not doing as well as you would like. Many others are.
Of course we should discuss all issues. But it is hard to have a discussion with someone who misrepresents facts. Personally I like Maryland’s approach to finance (and business) just fine.
I am glad you are keeping your business in Maryland for now. When the Maryland approach will become a deal breaker for you, you will move. Again, many other businesses are succeeding.
As for the Forbes rankings: I find them one dimensional – maximizing profit. But that is not all that I want from my community, and enough people (and businesses) agree so that our State is a pretty cool place.
Theresa Defino
6:22 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Hey, Kim, you lost me at calling Richard "a moron," then you lost me again at this inflammatory statement...:You will be left with the bills, with no way to pay for, for all your social hand outs which does nothing but promote LAZINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Then you went on to try and reverse some of your earlier statements. And have perpetuated some other falsehoods and total distortions of what Richard said (as in all is fine in MD). I see no expression by you of what the state needs to change to help you succeed, despite your multitude of comments. The problems you cite in your business aren't offered with any specifics, or causes. Just a lot of nebulous blame. Some comments just don't wash (healthcare costs have gone down, if you operate at a loss so do your taxes, etc).
I prefer to respond to facts, not rhetoric, and the topic at hand, and as such there is no discussion here.
Mark Parker
7:31 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I recall your silly paranoia regarding being stalked, but that's your issue, not mine. Maybe we should ask Michele who the stalker is.
Mark Parker
7:07 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
<<I guess I'll stay off the site for a while >>
You didn't even last one day.
Theresa Defino
7:14 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
For someone with a job at a public institution, you really should care more about the police profile that's building against you as my admitted stalker.
kim chase
7:18 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Thank you Richard for acknowledging that we do have some issues to resolve and that we do indeed have to help Maryland based companies and we do default to higher taxes to easily as the solution to many of our issues. Admitting that there is a problem places us in a position to fix it. That is wonderful.
Theresa, as Richard states, we do have to help our businesses in this state.That can not be ignored. I could list many things that need to change , but It would be pointless in this forum. I simply wanted an acknowledgement that we have work to do. Richard understands, do you?
Piotr, we are losing businesses to other states at a rapid pace. Fact not fiction. We can not turn our backs and not look at why. We need those businesses for jobs and taxes. Why is it that we can not acknowledge that fact and fix it?
Theresa Defino
7:40 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Mark Parker
7:31 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I recall your silly paranoia regarding being stalked, but that's your issue, not mine. Maybe we should ask Michele who the stalker is.
Michele? I guess we could ask the divorce judge and the judge who laughed her out of the court room...It's all public record. You want to go here, really? On a public website? Be my guest!
Mark Parker
7:45 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
You're the one who brought up my place of employment on a public web site. Like I said before, I don't like bullies. You're a bully.
Temperance Blalock
7:42 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I have some close friends who operate a business in Virginia, specifically in Fairfax County. From what they've told me, there are tax credits and special loans that the state and county provides small businesses which my friends utilized. Those could well be some of the factors that lead Forbes magazine to give Virginia a high rating. On the other hand, though, there are some other factors that would be highly anathema to the Tea Party: first, that most of the business conducted in Virginia is either primarily or secondarily contracted to support the Federal Government, and second that there is a city sales tax in Falls Church (above and beyond the state's sales tax). These are things that mitigate the portrait of Virginia as a Randian dream world. Hey...we could do a lot of great things to make Rockville a better place to live with a city sales tax! But good luck getting that through, it would be mercilessly attacked as socialism.
kim chase
8:01 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Temperence, you make a very good point. We are so busy attacking that we no longer listen. That is so true. I did it myself when I first read this article. I was so upset that I did not use a rational thought process, I just attacked. I was wrong. We should be able to bring things up and discuss them calmly without judgement. Tea party, socialist, left wing, right wing,rich, poor, maryland, Virginia, blue, red.........ALL Americans. No one is completely right and no one is completely wrong. But we do have some things to work out and we should be able to do it without labels, threats, and attacks. Something we have lost sight of so much in this country today.
I again thank the writer, Richard Parsons, for acknowledging the good and the bad about Maryland!
Theresa Defino
7:54 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I am not a bully, and I have certainly never bullied you. I rarely even respond to you, which once prompted you to comment "I liked it better when you ignored me." You track what I say and how often I say it. I find that the behavior quite curious.
I didn't mention where you work but any idiot can google it, just like you apparently did with my name. I've never attacked you and have no reason to. If you think name dropping will cow me into silence you're mistaken. As I said, it's all public record, but more importantly, totally irrelevant here.
Mark Parker
11:05 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
<<it's all public record, but more importantly, totally irrelevant here.>>
And my place of employment is totally irrelevant, too. Yet you brought it up, and included a thinly veiled threat as well. You bully me, I'm going to push back.
Kim, good luck, and I think it's wise to consider relocating. Small businesses are the lifeblood of our economy, and that realization is not always appreciated in Maryland.
Jeff Hawkins
8:16 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Interesting thread! We have stalkers, bullies, Tea Partiers, cultists and morons.......who knew? Maryland is for Crabs......Virginia is for Lovers...........there's your difference!
kim chase
8:32 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Now that is hilarious! Thanks for the giggle . I needed that!
Jeff Hawkins
9:39 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
You are welcome Kim.......hang in there!
kim chase
9:58 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Thanks Jeff I will keep working hard to keep moving along! I would just like some people to see the other side sometimes. I try too........
George O'Malley
8:55 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Northern Virginia is doing well, but Southern Virginia is hurting, certainly by comparison. On a more local basis, people often want to compare the business climate in Fairfax and Montgomery counties, because they are otherwise so similar. But you know what, other than fiscal policy, Fairfax has that Montgomery doesn't? An international airport, for one. And an actual university, George Mason, where one can pursue virtually any degree straight out of high school. In Montgomery, we have a community college, and cobbled together continuing-education offerings in the Shady Grove corridor, but that's about it. This is one of the things that irritates me the most about the whole JHU Belward situation -- that JHU is using their name to build just another industrial park/town center, without giving Montgomery something it desperately needs and may never get -- a real college campus where one can pursue a full college education.
If you graduate high school in Montgomery County and want to get a college degree beyond an associates, you have to leave the county. If you work in Montgomery county and want to get a bachelors degree part time, you have to leave the county. If you are a business in Montgomery County and want to hire a local undergraduate intern, you're SOL. If you're working in Montgomery County and want to pursue a law degree part time, you have to leave. Anyone think that this doesn't hurt the business climate?
jnrentz1
7:44 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Mr. O'Malley,
I was able to finish my degree at the University of Maryland University College at Shady Grove some years ago. I had begun and Montgomery College, and continued at College Park, but work got in the way of continuing full time.
However, I do agree with you that there is much Montgomery County lacks, and the presence of a four year college campus would be most welcome.
Perhaps there are plans to do just that at the Shady Grove consortium. I certainly hope so.
kim chase
9:19 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
George, Thank you bringing up another issue we have here in Maryland. We have very few higher educational opportunities then most of all the other states. In Virginia they have a plethera of choices when it comes to great in state higher educational institutions. We have very few and this state wants to make it even harder for the real documented citizens to attend by allowing in state tuition to undocumented illegal immigrates.
My son gets amazing grades and he works very hard and he was told by his counselor at school that to get into Uof M, he will need to maintain over a 4.0 GPA. The reason is because Uof M has too many applicants with more and more appling every year because no one can afford to pay out of state tuitions anymore. Then he was told by the same counselor to take less difficult classes to achieve that 4.0. He wants to challenge himself but by doing so he will cut off his opportunity for a great education at a better in state tuition cost. Does that make any sense to anyone? Yet another reason I am looking at moving when my kids graduate. I can start them out in an out of state university and then move there to get in state tuition. in this economy, we all are thinking to the future and what we can do to cut cost. Moving seems to keep popping up as an alternative. That is sad.
Theresa Defino
9:28 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Kim, community college is a great option and there is no shame in going. I went to one in Fla. If your son maintains a 3.0 at MC, he is GUARANTEED admission to U Md. I hope his counselor told him that. My daughter was just accepted to U Md College Park and Baltimore County, and she does not have a 4.0. She was also accepted in the Scholars program.
This statement is false: the Dream Act is NOT in effect. And I do not believe that Va has more educational options than Md. I also thought you didn't think it was right to pit the two states against each other.
You said:
"We have very few and this state wants to make it even harder for the real documented citizens to attend by allowing in state tuition to undocumented illegal immigrates."
There is no evidence the Dream Act would make it "even harder for real documented citizens to attend."
kim chase
9:53 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Oh goodness Theresa, I am very glad that you are so passionate about Maryland. I wish I were as happy as you are. :-( sigh....... The Dream act will absolutey add more applicants to the pool at U of M, and the Baltimore campus, and Towson, and all other state schools. It was presented for that purpose. To help those unfortunate illegal kids get in state tiution and to give them higher eduations opportunities. It will open the door for all those kids to apply and that will naturally satuate an already large pool of applicants ( a larger pool because this economy is preventing kids to go out of state for college because it cost too much). It is statically obvious. There are only so many spots, period.
So how do I tell my son to work really hard so that you can to attend MC? After that you can go to Maryland? He is working hard because he wants to go there when he graduates. He wants to take really hard classes because he thinks it is good for himself to be highly educated and college ready.The counselor told him to stop challenging himself by taking 4 AP classes and 2 honors classes because he may be too many "B's" How can that be the right lesson to teach.
Theresa Defino
10:09 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
It seems you have issues with your guidance counselor and with U of Md's admission's process. I am sorry I can't help you there. And as I said there's nothing wrong with working hard but going to a community college first, and at the risk of repeating myself, my daughter does not have a 4.0. And my son is going to MC. I never said I was "so passionate about Maryland," nor that my daughter was going there, only that she was accepted.
I appreciate discussing this with you without you feeling the need to delve into my court records. That's pretty creepy and weird.
jnrentz1
7:50 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Ms. Chase,
You are correct when you say Virginia has more higher education opportunities than Maryland.
kim chase
9:54 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Theresa, You are right I should not compare state to state, but again this entire thread was started from an article pitting one state against another. I will try and refrain from comparing. But we do need to look at the long term affect some of these changes will do for our tax paying citizens and we can not ignore that allowing some can cause a ripple effect that could create bigger issues for our state. This ripple effect is that our tax base up and moves becuase they see its better on the other side of the river.
Jeff Hawkins
10:12 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Kim:
Your comment:
"Thanks Jeff I will keep working hard to keep moving along! I would just like some people to see the other side sometimes. I try too........"
I might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but you might be asking too much.
kim chase
10:20 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Oh that makes me sad. I hope that is not true. I think you look both ways before making a decision. We dont always have to agree but we should still listen. Why cant everyone? Are we all too synical these days? Has this govenment polarized us so much that we wont listen anymore? That is sad. ;-(
kim chase
10:15 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Nope I wont go anywhere near court records. Not the place nor is it releveant. I dont have a problem with U of M admissions process. I have an issue that my son may not get in because of some new laws that could cause my son and many other kids from getting in. On this one I have have to say I am opposed to its impletation in our state. gay rights/ adoption/and others...I am all in. In State tuition for undocumented citizens... I am out. Sorry....... but I do respect your opinion.
Theresa Defino
11:22 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Saying you work for a public institution is hardly a bullying statement or revealing of anything, especially given we live in an area with thousands of public offices. Digging into my court filings is unseemly. Again, I never bulled you...ever. I never even comment to you directly, yet you hound me continually on this site. It's aberrant, and it's been reported. Enough said.
Theresa Defino
11:22 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
In reply to Mark Parker.
Mark Parker
11:27 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
You threatened me. It's been reported.
Sean R. Sedam
12:20 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
I'd like to remind everyone again of Patch's Terms of Use: http://rockville.patch.com/terms
There is a good conversation going in this thread on the topic of Maryland and Virginia. Let's steer the conversation back in that direction and take other conversations off line.
Mark Parker
12:23 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
My apologies, Sean.
Piotr Gajewski
12:13 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
“my son may not get in because of some new laws”
What “new laws?”
Kids who make decent grades get into U of M. If they do not get in, it is not because of “some new laws.” (Full disclosure: my son, who is not the world's most diligent student, is a freshman at U of M.)
Is it really so much easier to hate and point fingers and not accept responsibility than to buckle down and study hard and make good grades, taking charge of one’s own destiny? Sad.